Minutes of the DLS: October 2, 1997

 

The Minutes of The Demosthenian Literary Society

October 2nd, 1997

      The morning came early for our faithful hero, the HortMan.  Then came the afternoon, and then mid-afternoon, and so on,  and it came to be Saturday morning before he finally awoke from his Thursday night drinking spree.  This binge not only left the HortMan speechless and covered in his own drool, but also left, in his wake, substantial damage all over North Campus. 

      This destruction caused mass hysteria throughout the city, and the citizenry wondered what in the world could have possibly caused this much of a mess in such a short period of time.  Some thought it was a tornado, however, the large footprints left in the rubble of the Heap quickly proved to all that observed this catastrophe that it was something much bigger and powerful than a measly little tornado...This force was stronger than anything anyone had ever seen, except for Mr. Stevenson, who knows about everything that no knows else even cares about.  According to him, "Uhhhh...Looks like a whole herd of elephants stomped through here.  You know that that bird that always sits on their backs picks out all of the bugs and stuff that crawl all over them and you see, uhhhh, that this relationship is GREAT!!  It is a mutually beneficial symbiotic....."  Luckily for all of those unfortunate enough to be within earshot of Dave's babbling, the lovely Ms. Briggy took it upon herself to uncoil onto Mr. Stevenson with the fiercest karate chop in her repertoire,  and with a triumphant squish, the blow against Dave's backside propelled him back over to South Campus, where he found a whole throng of science geeks eager to hear his mindless babbling. 

      However irritating Mr. Stevenson's theory was to the throng surrounding the even more ruined ruins of the Heap, it did seem to be true, for there were huge footprints all over the destroyed facade of the former home of the illiterary society.   The multitude of Demosthenians around the last vestiges of that forsaken spot of ground were shocked at the waste; where else could they go late at night to relieve the pressure placed on them in their attempts to live up to the glory of former members' exploits?  It amongst this confusion and dismay that a voice rang out across the Quad:  "Duuudes!! What's goin' on?!"

 

      The meeting was called to order at 7:25 PM.  Two first time guests, Dyal Singh and Chris Gantner were present, and second time guests Sara Kravig and Kelli Frawley were in attendance.  The ubiquitous alum Scott Wells was present, as was Mr. Robert Smith.  Ms. Mingledorff was appointed critic, and then the Society moved into Committee Reports.

Mr. Bowman took the floor, and stated that $12 was approved by the Finance Committee for assorted Xeroxing expenses.  His report was approved.

Mr. Weaver rose on behalf of the Programs Committee, and proposed his committee making some sort of T-shirt item this quarter. He also announced a meeting of his committee on the following Tuesday to discuss next quarter's Hall Re-Dedication.

Ms. McKinney told the Society of the status of the Restoration.  Everything seems to be on schedule, for now at least.

Mr. Shumaker informed the Society that there were phone lists available for  everybody to enjoy.

      As Old Business was barely even a blip on the screen of the Society this evening, we moved forward into New Business, where our lovable misogynist, Mr. Bowman, presented the following resolution:

      Be it Resolved:  The success of the women's liberation movement is responsible for the breakdown of American society.

                              Respectfully submitted,

                              Derek Bowman

The speaker told us that due to increases in crime, drug use and single parent families, it is clear that American society is in decline, and then he blamed these problems on children not having adequate supervision by their parents.  In short, there is an overemphasis on "me," and this problem was ultimately caused by the women's liberation movement.

Mr. Wells (alum) stated that we must take a step further back from the problems described by the presenter and see that the real source of the evils that plague the country  lies in the poverty that grips so many families.  As for women's lib., Mr. Wells felt that it has only made for a fairer treatment of women.

Mr. Weaver argued that the problems in America came from a selfish attitude of the citizens.  This breakdown came whenever we put ourselves before our families.

Mr. Pyrdum rose and stated that he vigorously agreed with the resolution due to a belief in the natural division of labor between men and women.  If staying at home was viewed as a good, then fewer of the bad things described throughout the debate would happen.

A hoppin' mad Ms. Visser took the floor next, and stated that she thought that men were real funny:  they have no idea how a stay at home parent works.  She spoke of the early importance of having large families so that the older children could take care of the younger ones, but even in this situation, the woman still gets stuck with the chores around the house.

Mr. Shumaker took the floor next and explained to the Society the economic theory behind the resolution.  According this Little-Mr.-Know-it-All, it is possible that the women's lib. movement deleteriously affected the nation's economy for awhile, but now, women are needed in the work force in order to maintain economic growth.

Mr. Stevenson strutted to the lectern, and argued, "What breakdown?"  If we continue to have this bad attitude about the world, the problems will only get worse.  Mr. Stevenson had a lot more to say, I think, but was cruelly cut off by our President, thus sending the idealistic young lad into shock.

Mr. Slone argued caring only for yourself can go too far, but being completely selfless is also not necessarily a good thing.  The mother staying at home because she has to is not fair or in the best interest of all.

Mr. Smith (alum) stated that kids can be completely screwed up even with both parents at home.  He added that a strong male role model, in some cases, may be better than the maternal role model that is missing.

Mr. Norman asked the Society:  "Did women's lib. actually work?"  He thought it would have been nice if it hadn't been necessary, and he asserted that one cannot blame all of society's ills on just one thing.

Ms. Richie took the floor next, and stated that the Society did not have a clear view of what the real situation was, because the real question lies in the ability of families to balance the need for money with familial quality time.  In the end, the parent that is most capable of taking care of the children should take care of the children, regardless of the sex.

Mr. Lowe asserted that there is now technology available so that both parents can stay at home.  According to the speaker, the women's lib. movement was the impetus behind the development of the fax machine and video conferencing, two items that allow a greater flexibility to the wage earner.

Ms Singh (guest)  stated that many people accept immoral and selfish acts as a matter of course, and that this seeming apathy toward the problems of the family begets only more selfishness ultimately.

Ms. Mingledorff began by stating that having two parents at home would be a scary proposition, but that having at least one parent at home was, according to most studies, a good thing.  After her mother's own life experience, a single parent family can work, but that success has everything to do with the situation and the time.

Ms. Visser argued that women's lib. has helped parents accurately describe to their children what type of benefits can be reaped by working outside of the home.  In short, the movement gave many people a higher sense of self-worth,

Ms. Kravig (guest) asserted that there must be at least two people involved in any sort of quarrel, and there is no family in "I."  She continued by stating that the focus of a family is to love and support each other, and that selfishness was the real reason behind the breakdown of the American family.

      The question was called, and failed 12-0.

Mr. Pyrdum asked the Society "What is good, and what is right?"  He then presented the following resolution:

      Be it Resolved:  Religion is a poor excuse for morality.

                              Respectfully,

                              Carl Pyrdum

Mr. Pyrdum argued that forcing someone to believe what you think is right is inherently bad, and that people needed to make decisions on what is right and wrong on their own.

Mr. Weaver took us for a walk, and then argued that religion is a good excuse for morality, for most people feel more comfortable with the clergy telling us what to believe.

Mr. Bloomfield stated that being told what is and isn't wrong  is conflicting and bad for those who do this are using religion in lieu of having a strong moral character.  In the long run, religion ultimately tells people what to do.

Ms. Brignac felt that religion is history, and that man should learn from his past mistakes.  Consequently, religion acts as a way to have morality; religion gives one the morality necessary to make the right decisions in life.

Mr. Smith (alum) argued that religion is separate from the will of God, and that to find the true Word of God, people should read the Scriptures and interpret it for themselves.

Mr. Hortman swept down from off his perch and equivocated morality with ethics.  He continued his argument by stating that religion is the cause of ethics because, in most areas, idea of morality is almost symmetrical to that of the religious doctrine espoused.

Mr. Pyrdum took the floor again to clarify his resolution.  He stated that religion was part of an external conscience; this conscience is distinct of the inner sense of morality.  Consequently, the doing something good for fear of punishment is not a good type of morality.

Mr. Wells (alum) rose and stated that religion tries to explain the unexplainable, and the things that cannot be understood.  Religion provides the answers, but because of the ease in setting hard and fast rules, it can lead to a tyranny of morality.

Ms. Richie described three levels of morality from a psychological point of view.  The lowest level of morality was the fear of being caught; the only concern of this person is for himself.  The highest level of morality comes from the attempt to make the greatest good for the most number of people, and she concluded by stating that this type of morality is necessary to the preservation of society.

Mr. Lowe stated that religion started out as an explanation, but became a standard;  it changed from explaining what is and what isn't, to explaining what is good and what is bad.  He concluded by arguing that the best decisions that people can make are made through logic and a sense of responsibility to themselves and others.

Mr. Bloomfield described the ethnocentrism intrinsic within our culture by telling a story of an anthropologist reading Hamlet to a "primitive" tribe.  According to the her audience, the researcher found that the tribe had no problem with the story.  Consequently, the speaker concluded that there is no way to separate ourselves from our own biases concerning what is right and wrong.

Mr. Bowman stormed to the floor, and ranted and raved about how society is so wrapped up in relativism that we cannot blame atrocities on those that committed them.  In a society trapped between relativism and ethnocentrism, it is hard to come up with a conception of what is moral, but there is obviously some middle ground out there.

      The question was called and passed on a vote of 8-1.

Mr. Shumaker took the floor, and presented the following resolution:

      Be it Resolved:  Intellectual arrogance is the flaw to a University education

                                    Respectfully submitted,

                                    Michael J. Shumaker

The speaker (That's ME!) argued that anyone who stakes all of their pride or reputation on being right is usually wrong.  By constantly assuming that one is correct, the ability to learn is stifled.

Mr. Bowman took the floor, and finally got to tell his world-famous Socrates story.  By paying too much attention to what looks right, the truth and what is right usually slips away.  A dedication to finding what is true is vital to growing as an intellectual being.

Mr. Pyrdum stated that intellectual arrogance is a good quality, for it allows professors to shoot down incorrect ideas, and to encourage the finding of fact.  By being arrogant, a good teacher becomes a great teacher.

Mr. Lowe copping a major 'tude, took the floor and argued that a teacher should explain clearly to a student why they are wrong; the professor should create a dialog with the student in order to help the student learn.

Ms. Kravig (guest) felt that intellectual arrogance in a teacher made it impossible for her to learn.  The professor should not come across as being better than anyone else.

Mr. Slone stated that the resolution could be split in two because he has seen both good and bad professors being arrogant.  In the end, however, the best professors are those that are arrogant, but have enough knowledge to pull it off.

Mr. Hortman asserted that professors must be confident in their knowledge, but an over-confidence comes across as apathy toward the students.  Some arrogance is OK, but a balance must be found for the student to learn anything at all.

Mr. Smiley stated that the best professors are those that force you to examine your own thoughts, and challenge you arguments.  It is by finding out how you are wrong that one finds out what is right.

      The question was called and failed on a vote of 3-2, with 2 abstentions.

Following Ms. Mingledorff's Critic's Report, the Society adjourned at 11:20 PM.

 

      The Demosthenians quickly whirled around to see behind them, emerging from the Hall, the very rumpled and good-natured form of the HortMan, still attired in coat and tie.  In addition to the "slept in" look our faithful leader was exhibiting, he also appeared to be covered with dust and fragments of really cheap brick.  At this point, the curious Demosthenians knew what had really happened to the Heap:  the HortMan had unleashed his super-powers upon it!

            With some help from witnesses that had seen the HortMan that evening, it was determined that it was not a pack of elephants that had descended upon the evil home of the society across the way; it was merely the drunken HortMan leaning up against the front of the building while relieving his pressures from the entire evening.  In the process of alleviating some discomfort, our dutiful President did one of characteristic "HortMan Re-equlibrating His Balance Acts," and bumped into the Heap, causing the entire thing to immediately collapse into a pile of bricks and dust.

      When it was realized by the gaggle of Demosthenians surrounding the debris that it was indeed just the HortMan that had caused this really neat thing to happen, the Society streaked across the Quad to give our lovable hero a big hug...The HortMan had finally done what no one else could have ever done:  Made the Heap any worse than it already was.  With that, the Society returned to Munchies, with HortMan as their new-found reluctant hero to celebrate their great victory.

     

Respectfully submitted, on the ninth day of October,1997 

                                   

                              Michael J. Shumaker